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Modified # Title
2026 Feb 1008USA Legation Chop!
2022 March 29007Owner's initials on the back of  the stamp.
2021 November 26006Mistaken cancellation!
2021 September 22005Mystery blue cancel?
2021 September 16004Mystery blue chop?
2021 August 23003"B" & Caption in German?
2021 August 23 002 Penned "B"?
2021 August 23 001 MAINZ - Arrival Cancellation?



008 - USA Legation Chop!

    
WIT-8-0


WIT-8-1

Addressed: to A. Matters? present in Bangkok.

Gary Wayne Loew, FRPSL suggested that the name might be “Mathiews”.
A search of the 1885 and 1888 Directories as well as the Siam Weekly Advertiser newspaper yielded no listing under this name.
I then tried "Mathews" with the same results.
Maybe there is other addressed mail to him yet to be discovered.
[1 Feb 2026]



WIT-8-2

Message:
Siam - Bangkok
Feb 3 1885 or 1887
Dear Sir, 

your package has arrived! please instruct.
A.M.

WIT-8-3

The USA signed a treaty with Siam on 29 May 1856.
They operated a Consulate which was elevated to a Legation on 23 October 1882.
The handwritten date on the reverse must be after this date.


The last digit is not a three when compared with the three to the left. It does not look like a 4. So, the date is most likely 3 February 1885 or 1887.

It is signed with what looks like "A.M." who was most likely a clerk at the Legation.

The use of a Hong Kong postal stationery card seems to have been by convenience - it might have been what was available to send the note.  It most certainly did not go through the Siamese Post Office operating in Bangkok otherwise there would be a Siamese Post Office cancellation. I assume that it was carried by a messenger from the US Legation.

Source:  Santi Siritaweechai June 2022 - thanks!


 WIT-8-4


Mourning Cover to J. Fowler | US Consul | Chefoo

Note below that he was consul at Chefoo from 1 July 1912 to 1914 so the letter had to be mailed during that period.

John Fowler (1858 – 1923):

  • Born on 9 May 1858 in Boston, Massachusetts
  • Educated Phillips Aced., Exeter, New Hampshire (U.S.), class of 1879.
  • Entered government service April 1879.
  • In Naval Rendezvous, Washington, until 1881. Then on American ship Tallapoosa until it was wrecked in August 1885.
  • Clerk to captain, to Secretary of the Navy, and to the President.
  • Cruised around the world, 1886-1889.
  • Died on 30 December 1923 
United States consul:
  • Ningpo, China, 1890-1896
  • Chefoo, China, 1896-1912
  • Foochow, China, 1 July 1912-1914
  • Rimouski, Canada, 29 December 1914-October 21, 1915. Resigned. Appointed consul-general, 2 February 1904, reappointed consul, 10 June 1908.

 Source: eBay September 2014


Reference:

Koffsky, Peter L.: The Consul General's Shanghai Postal Agency 1867-1907, Smithsonian Institution Press, City of Washington, 1972



ASSUMPTION:

  • The Chop was used from about 1885 to about 1914.
  • It might have been available for use on ‘official’ correspondence.
  • The two items were likely hand carried instead of being posted.

 HELP – Have you seen other examples? Do you have different conclusions?







007 - Owner's initials on the back of the stamp! 

    

WIT-007-Initials.jpg
Bangkok 5¢ Crown CA
(from Delcampe March 2022)
  •   J.E. is likely an owner’s initials.
  • The vertical TT on the right side at the bottom is the mark of Max Their of Berlin, a worldwide expert active 1890 to 1920. He used a German “TT” on used stamps and a single “T” on mint or mint no gum stamps. In this position it indicates that this is a genuine B-overprinted stamp.
  • The pencil markings are indecipherable.

Reference:

Kock, G. PHILATELIC EXPERTS, < www.filatelia.fi/experts >. [This is a worldwide list of the names and areas of specialisation of thousands of stamp experts who applied their marks to postage stamps or issued certificates. Many owners markings are identified as well however many more are still to be identified. Hundreds of scans are available.]
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006 - Mistaken cancellation!

    WIT-006-front.jpg

WIT-006-back.jpg

This is a Siamese postal stationery card only valid for use within Siam. They show that an agreement existed between the Postmaster at the Consulate and the firm of Ramsay & Co. to receive notices as to when the foreign mails would close. See Mail Closure Notices on the home page.

The CDS on the reverse is there to note the date of mailing. However, someone at the British Post Office cancelled the card front which they had no authority to. The mail system in Bangkok was the responsibility of the Siamese Post Office. Note the Siamese cancellation.

WIT-006-Siamese-Stamp.jpg

On pages 101 & 102 of the book I note three occasions where this error has been seen. One is on this loose Siamese stamp cancelled 27 of an unknown month in 1884. The two other examples are Ramsay & Co. cards cancelled: 15 SP 1884 and 18 NO 1884.

Why did this occur? Maybe an experiences helper was aiding the Postmaster or maybe filling in for him. We will likely never know.

[GROSVENOR #139 22-23 January 2021 Lot 928]

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005 - Mystery blue cancel?

    WIT-005.jpg
[Source: Mine]

Watermarked Crown CA
Possible Siamese cancel?


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004 - Mystery blue chop?

  WIT-004.jpg  WIT-004a.jpg
[Source: Mine]

Watermarked Crown CA
Possible native script?


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003 - "B" & Caption in German?

WIT-003 WIT-003a
2c Straits Settlements CA issued 1883
There is what looks like an owner's mark in the lower left corner.
[Source: Mine]

WIT-003d
The "B" was printed using a press. It does not match the Type I nor II "B".

WIT-003e  WIT-003f WIT-003g

The caption translates as: " For Port Bangkok"

What could this be?
  • A Bangkok firm might have used this as their security marking. One day a proving cover might surface.


One more thing:
WIT-003-dot

Is the dot inside the first "S" of Straits a recurring thing?






002 - Penned "B"?

WIT-002   BrCon_Seal
8c Straits Settlements Crown CC issued 1867
[Source: Mine]

The stamp received the British Consulate Seal and likely a checkerboard cancellation. Everything points to the stamp being genuine and used at Bangkok. The thing of interest is that someone has penned in a "B".

What could this be?
  • This might be the user's initial applied as a security marking.
  • Might be a firm's security marking that did not use a handstamp.
  • Maybe the user though that to go through the Bangkok Post Office stamps needed a "B" on them.
  • etc.




001 - MAINZ - Arrival Cancellation?

WIT-001  WIT-001a
[Source: Mine]

* MAINZ * M …

Town name bounded by six-pointed stars

M = Morgens or morning.

Blurred two-digit date starting with “7"?

... ACTYOM ...

Likely a docketing notation added by a clerk.

Mainz is the capital and largest city of Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

[Thanks to Lawrence Mead for added information.]

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